Observation 63727: Amanita pantherina group

When: 2011-02-20

Collection location: Oakland Zoo, Oakland, California, USA [Click for map]

Who: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)

No specimen available

under bamboo, near eucalyptus near tiger cage (but close enough to a huge pine thirty some feet away).


cap with original bamboo debris (enlarge to see eyes!).
note close cup with rolled edge over bulbous base.
note attached (not free) gills. mushrooms are variable in their forms!!!

Proposed Names

-15% (3)
Recognized by sight: typical pantherina…warted brown faintly striate cap, annulus, bulbous base covered by a close cup.
27% (1)
Recognized by sight
79% (4)
Eye3 Eyes3
Recognized by sight: our pantherinas here are never as dark as the European forms. Cap color is water soluble and it has been pouring recently. I have seen what they call multisquamosa as well as pantheranoides in Colorado, and this isn’t it. In fact, there seems to be some forms that have characters of both purported varieties; what to call THEM??? This is just our local version of pantherina.

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Eye3 = Observer’s choice
Eyes3 = Current consensus


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are you insinuating, Christian, …
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2011-05-06 14:39:40 CDT (-0400)

that a LOT of work yet needs to be done on the western amanitas???! say it ain’t so! ;)

indeed, this example is one of a group of pantherina-like organisms here, hence, pantherina group.

when we get good descriptions for all of the western varieties, with DNA nicely lined up and the field and/or micro-lab ability to tell them apart morphologically, well, won’t life be simple? yeah, right.

By: Erlon (Herbert Baker)
2011-05-06 12:22:25 CDT (-0400)

my vote of “could be” rather than “I’d call it that”.

I wouldn’t
By: Christian (Christian Schwarz)
2011-05-06 11:42:40 CDT (-0400)

call something “the local version of A. pantherina”, because I don’t think we even know how many local versions there may be of A. pantherina – like taxa.

I agree with the A. pantherina group name proposal (I guess), but I don’t want people to get the impression that there is necessarily only one member of that group in our area.

Not only are your panthers different from the European ones….
By: Tim Sage (NMNR)
2011-05-06 10:52:15 CDT (-0400)

They are quite different from the ones I shoot up here in Washington as well!

By: Erlon (Herbert Baker)
2011-02-21 12:40:06 CST (-0500)

Good point, why are we continuing to use all these unpublished names here on M.O?

Its been a few years and none of these provisional names have been published yet.

By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2011-02-21 11:37:16 CST (-0500)

I know that Rod wants to call these ameripantherina, but that name hasn’t been published yet!!!

Until that time, and until the various forms get delimited across North America, I will just call it pantherina, Pantherina group for those who like a little wiggle room in their taxonomy.

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