Observation 73092: Chlorophyllum brunneum (Farl. & Burt) Vellinga

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at least we are all passionate about what we do!
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2015-09-20 12:01:33 CDT (-0500)

WE can’t agree on everything all of the time.

I look forward to seeing you both at Key Council later this month.

Mushroom Observer is a great database system,
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2015-09-20 11:27:16 CDT (-0500)

however, its MO Rules Of Naming (MORON) are faulty. We have collected this parasol mushroom from this very same site since 2007. Every year it looks slightly different. This year, Oluna says, it looks more like a Chlorophyllum olivieri, but I voted her over. We have collections from this spot from several years, and at the end the Consensus (I would call it Nonsensus) should not propose the name without seeing those collections.
If you think that this is yet another imperfection of the MO system, I have been fighting it from the very moment you (and other BAMS) introduced me to MO. Never mind, the MO gurus take my suggestion and comments as insults. Adolf

darn! another imperfection in the system!
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2015-09-20 10:47:48 CDT (-0500)

on the other hand Adolf, the sighting clearly shows brunneum winning the name game. we all know that sometimes there is debate on some of these IDs, esp. for species that have close morpho look-a-likes, or with a photo that might be ambiguous.

I mean, come on, rachodes was YOUR original proposal. it evolved with more thought and observation.

and then, sometimes the voting is used to tweak the system or tweak individuals.

that’s the human aspect of our MO myco-science.

I am shocked, shocked that Alan would give rachodes his strongest vote here, despite the fact of that abrupt bulb. I am sure that he knows better than all of us tho, and perhaps can see deeper due to his x-ray vision. or something.

I’d just let it go. It shows that we are human, and fallible and sometimes stubborn and even gasp! provocative. Humans, such a caution.

In the end, this is a photo of brunneum. The rest is just background noise.

I wanted to change the MO observation name
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2015-09-20 02:19:45 CDT (-0500)

to Chlorophyllum brunneum_ when I got this strange message: Sorry, someone else has given this their strongest positive vote. You are free to propose alternate names, but we can no longer let you delete this name. Excellent example of the strange Mushroom Observer Rules Of Naming! Adolf

By: Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)
2011-08-10 20:00:39 CDT (-0500)

I do not see an abruptly bulbous base in this picture – the bulb looks rather smooth.

two ways to tell these mushrooms apart in hand…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2011-08-10 18:49:07 CDT (-0500)

brunneum has an abruptly bulbous base or nearly so (which is what I can see in your photo here, Adolf); rhacodes has a swollen but not abrupt base.

partial veil characters are important too (altho not obvious in this photo):
brunneum has a simple veil and rhacodes has a thick, double veil.

otherwise, pretty darned similar. I am sure they get misidentified as one to the other all of the time, including many named photos online.

C. brunneum is the common sp. here in the BA; not sure what the case is up in the PNW and BC.

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