Observation 84919: Cortinarius cisqhale Bojantchev

When: 2011-12-18

Collection location: Salt Point State Park, Sonoma Co., California, USA [Click for map]

Who: Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)

No specimen available

Under redwood and tan oak.


7 × 4
8 × 5
8.5 × 5
8 × 4.5
8 × 5

Species Lists


Spores 1000x
Spores 1000x

Proposed Names

Please login to propose your own names and vote on existing names.

= Observer’s choice
= Current consensus


Add Comment
By: Darvin DeShazer (darv)
2011-12-22 15:23:32 -02 (-0200)

A provisional name is ALWAYS better than no name! At least we can discuss it and everyone knows which species is the topic. There are several here on MO.

Dimi – All of us would hope that you will vote on names. Your eye for detail and expertise has a worldwide value on MO. That is how MO grows and polishes the rough edges, by consensus.

By: Dimitar Bojantchev (dimitar)
2011-12-22 14:12:11 -02 (-0200)

I agree with Darvin and in fact I believe that the provisional naming concept is pretty useless, or rather can only be viewed in an informational, non-binding ways. There is hardly any value I can see in it. Species have no formal rank until formally published and I will exercise self-discipline of not even proposing nom. prov. unless to informally discuss a potentially applicable name.

The provisional names have been abused quite much in the past. Nobody owns any genus, or can guarantee that the work will be completed in their lifetime (which may be pretty short – think of a bus hitting the mycologist) in order to even entertain such names. Older mycologists used to turn this into a tool to “put a claim” on something, I think.

I was half-way through a manuscript recently describing what I thought to be C. vellingae until Garnica & Ammirati beat me to it and put a different name. So, life goes on. There are a few provisional names in Cortinarius in our area, which have not been backed by any descriptions and I do not even plan to honor such as they represent nothing.

So, quotes, no quotes, sp., you decide how to put things – I only suggest names and never bid on names anymore…


By: Darvin DeShazer (darv)
2011-12-22 13:14:53 -02 (-0200)

Provisional names should be in quotes on MO to indicate their non-published status. They hold the same rank as a common name until they appear in print. Look at the 14 year mess created by Lactarius rubidus (Hesler & Smith) Methven nom. prov. all stemming from the fact it was suppose to be ‘in press’, but never made it to completion!

Cortinarius cisqhale Bojantchev nom. prov.
By: Dimitar Bojantchev (dimitar)
2011-12-19 20:40:12 -02 (-0200)

I am working on this one at the moment — Cortinarius cisqhale Bojantchev non. prov. — it is in a Telamonia paper that is close to completion… this one has caused me so much grief in terms of time and phylogenetic complexity that made me really “earn my pay” as they say in terms of trying all tools and methods. it is a species that is basal to most other Telamolnia, but the position is not easy to establish. I can talk at great length to folks to who deal with that kind of stuff. You can use the nomen provisorum if you wish, or wait till it comes out, which will be several months even if I submit it tomorrow… This guy is sooo diverse in looks that it will will drive you crazy, we did a second gene region just to make sure we are thorough — one thing — a tanoak associate.


Created: 2011-12-19 03:20:01 -02 (-0200)
Last modified: 2011-12-22 09:26:50 -02 (-0200)
Viewed: 140 times, last viewed: 2019-02-20 08:17:15 -03 (-0300)
Show Log